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Why Trend Following Is Harder Than It Looks | Systematic Investor | Ep.405

Channel: Top Traders Unplugged Published: 2026-06-21 10:00
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This episode is a systematic-investor roundtable focused on trend following, CTA portfolio construction, and recent market regime shifts. Rob Carver argues that trend followers should stay simple, avoid overfitting, and think carefully about whether strategy tweaks are actually improving the full portfolio or just fitting recent history.

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Detailed summary

This episode is a wide-ranging “Systematic Investor” conversation between the host and Rob Carver that centers on how trend-following portfolios behave, how to evaluate strategies, and how current market and policy changes may affect CTAs. The core thesis is that trend following remains a valuable source of diversification, but investors should be skeptical of overcomplicating it with path-risk metrics, regime-chasing, or AI-generated ideas that are not rigorously validated. Carver repeatedly returns to a process-first view: know why a strategy exists, know what role it plays in the portfolio, and only change it when there is strong statistical evidence that the edge has broken. The discussion opens with broad market context: Middle East peace-deal headlines, oil flow implications, a hawkish Fed transition, and the idea that markets may already have priced the optimistic scenario. …

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Main takeaways

  1. Trend following is presented as a portfolio process, not a prediction game.
  2. Carver is skeptical of using drawdown/path metrics as primary sizing tools.
  3. Skew is his preferred extra filter, mainly for classifying strategy buckets.
  4. The trend sleeve should not be distorted just to fit another portfolio sleeve.
  5. The CFTC’s perpetual futures approval may help traders but hurt futures-market structure.
  6. The 2010s fixed-income-led trend era looks like an outlier, not a permanent regime.
  7. AI is acceptable as an idea generator, but backtesting and validation must be independent and robust.
  8. Commodities remain the cleanest source of true diversification in the trend world.

Market read by horizon

Short term

Tactically, trend-following looks mixed and somewhat fragile right now, with weak barometer readings and a market still digesting hawkish Fed signals, oil repricing, and headline risk around geopolitics. The cleanest near-term opportunities appear where strong single-market trends are already established rather than in broad, crowded risk-on exposure.

  • Near term, the setup is dominated by a hawkish Fed transition, a still-uncertain Middle East deal, and the possibility that oil has already priced the optimistic scenario.
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  • The immediate CTA backdrop looks soft: the trend barometer was 36 and several liquid trend markets were weak, with oil and some metals down while equities and the dollar firmed.
  • If the peace-deal narrative holds, crude could stay under pressure; if it unravels, energy and inflation-linked trades could reprice quickly.
Mid term

Over the next few months, the most likely path is an uneven trend environment where commodities matter more than financials if macro dispersion stays high. The key question is whether the current commodities-led regime persists or whether rates and equities regain enough direction to broaden trend breadth.

  • Over the next several weeks and months, the base case in the discussion is that trend following remains functional but uneven, with better performance likely where strong single-factor regimes persist.
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  • The key confirmation signal for the trend complex is whether commodities continue to dominate and whether fixed income or equities reassert clear directional trends.
  • Carver’s framework implies that portfolio improvement comes more from better diversification across genuinely different return drivers than from chasing the last hot asset class.
Long term

The structural message is that durable trend performance comes from owning a wide set of genuinely different markets, especially commodities, not from optimizing around recent winners. Over time, the bigger edge should come from portfolio design and research discipline than from chasing the latest signal or product structure.

  • Structurally, the episode argues that trend following works best when it captures large macro regimes across many markets, especially commodities and rates, rather than when it is narrowly optimized.
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  • The deeper regime implication is that diversified, liquid access to real markets matters more than fashionable factor labels or hyper-optimized signals.
  • Carver’s long-run stance is that futures markets still exist first to enable hedging and price discovery; structural changes that weaken that role could matter far beyond any single contract innovation.
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Key claims (12)

NEUTRAL portfolio optimization

Skew is the most useful single metric for deciding whether to add or remove strategy components, especially when combining trend with carry-like approaches.

He says skew is his favorite lens because it helps classify strategies into buckets, particularly negative-skew versus other strategies, even though he would not use it as a formal composite metric.

BULLISH portfolio diversification commodities

A better portfolio construction approach is to diversify across truly uncorrelated markets, especially commodities, rather than relying on a few traditional asset classes.

The speaker argues that true diversification means holding as many uncorrelated markets as possible and explicitly cites commodities as part of that philosophy.

NEUTRAL systematic trading process

The safest way to use AI in trading research is to have it generate ideas, then subject those ideas to a robust non-AI testing process.

He argues that the AI role should stop at idea generation and that the crucial safeguard is a robust independent process for testing and implementation.

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Assets discussed (10)

Crude oil
BEARISH commodity

Discussed as having fallen sharply on Middle East peace-deal hopes and as a key market potentially impacted by crude flow through the straits.

SpaceX
MIXED other

Mentioned in the context of index inclusion rules and the potential degradation of standards.

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Interview (25 Q&A)

uk weather

How are things in the UK, and is summer finally there?

Rob says summer has arrived, the sun is shining, and England’s World Cup win has lifted the mood. He adds that he is not a huge football fan, but the tournament makes him follow along a bit.

market update

What has been interesting in markets lately?

Rob points to the Middle East peace deal and its possible market effects through crude flows, though he says markets may already have priced in an optimistic outcome. He also highlights SpaceX and the debate over whether index providers are relaxing rules to include it, and notes the Fed chair change and its limited impact so far because inflation remains sticky.

fed data

Could changes to Fed data releases affect systematic macro or trend-following strategies?

Rob says yes, especially for strategies that use economic indicators or other government data as inputs. He argues the quality of US statistics has already deteriorated, that less transparency is worrying, and that losing raw data would be a problem both for the economy and for trading processes, though pure price-based trend followers would not care.

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Where this transcript pushes against consensus

  • Carver is skeptical that drawdown depth/duration is useful for sizing strategy components; this may clash with allocators who treat path risk as a primary risk-control input.
  • He pushes back on adjusting a trend program to fit an existing multi-asset portfolio, preferring to change the outer portfolio instead; that can conflict with practical allocator constraints.
  • He is wary that perpetual futures could reduce the hedging function and price-discovery role of futures markets; proponents may argue the products improve accessibility and efficiency.
  • His view that AI is fine for ideas but not backtesting may understate the extent to which some firms already use opaque AI workflows successfully, though that is not demonstrated here.
  • The claim that the 2010s were mostly a fixed-income anomaly is plausible, but it is still an interpretation of a limited sample and may not generalize cleanly.

Topics

trend followingCTA portfolio constructiondrawdownsskewfactor zooperpetual futurescrypto futuresQuantica researchAI and overfittingcommodity diversification

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