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No AI Bubble? Why Tech Keeps Surging | Macro Mondays w/ Andreas Steno & Mikkel Rosenvold

Channel: Real Vision Published: 2026-05-04 09:39
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Real Vision’s Macro Mondays focused on three linked macro themes: the Iran/Hormuz shipping situation, the inflation and credit-cycle implications of an energy shock, and whether the recent AI capex surge is a bubble. The hosts argued that markets are still treating the Iran risk with some apathy, the short-run impact on Western supply is likely limited, and the AI buildout still looks supported by accelerating hyperscaler capex and backlogs rather than classic bubble dynamics.

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Detailed summary

This episode of Macro Mondays opened with a sponsorship segment, then shifted into a broad market discussion between co-hosts Mikkel Rosenvold and Andreas Steno. The main subjects were the Strait of Hormuz / Iran situation, the market and macro implications of a potential energy shock, the upcoming Trump–Xi meeting and related trade choke points, and the debate over whether AI infrastructure spending has become a bubble. On Iran, the hosts said the latest U.S. move to support commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz looked like a deliberate attempt to break a deadlock and force Iran to reveal whether it is truly willing to block shipping. They emphasized that the market reaction was mixed and noisy: overnight risk assets were modestly positive, then oil spiked on an unverified claim that a U.S. warship had been hit, before that story was walked back. …

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Main takeaways

  1. The hosts see the Strait of Hormuz episode as a real geopolitical stress test, but not yet a confirmed supply shock severe enough to change the macro regime.
  2. Their base case is that developed markets can absorb near-term energy disruptions better than emerging markets, with the bigger effect showing up later through imported inflation.
  3. They think central banks are the real transmission channel to watch: if inflation pressures feed into tighter credit, the AI/capex cycle could eventually wobble.
  4. Microsoft’s earnings and backlog were treated as evidence that hyperscaler AI spending still has real support, unlike Meta’s more narrative-driven capex case.
  5. The discussion framed trade chokepoints, rare earths, solar, and shipping lanes as part of a wider strategic contest over global dependency and leverage.

Market read by horizon

Short term

Near term, the tape is most sensitive to fresh Strait of Hormuz headlines and oil spikes; if shipping disruptions stay limited, the market can likely absorb the noise. The tactical risk is a repeat of rumor-driven volatility that briefly pushes energy higher and then fades.

  • Watch for confirmation of actual shipping disruptions in the Strait of Hormuz rather than rumor-driven headlines; the market reaction was still confused and headline-sensitive.
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  • Oil was the cleanest immediate reaction asset, with a fast spike on the warship story and then partial retracement after it was denied.
  • The immediate catalyst is whether Trump’s “humanitarian gesture” and escort/support plan meaningfully alters Iranian behavior over the next few sessions.
Mid term

Over the next few months, the key question is whether energy pressure becomes broad inflation and then starts altering central-bank behavior. If rates stay relatively stable and hyperscaler earnings continue to justify capex, the AI trade can keep grinding higher; if not, the setup weakens quickly.

  • Over the next several weeks to months, the key question is whether higher energy prices start feeding into broader inflation expectations and imported price pressure.
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  • If inflation gets imported into the West, the decisive follow-through would be central banks revisiting the possibility of tighter policy or a less accommodative stance.
  • The AI capex theme likely stays intact while hyperscaler backlog growth and earnings support remain strong, but it becomes more fragile if financing conditions tighten.
Long term

Structurally, the episode points to a world where geopolitical choke points and monetary policy jointly shape asset prices. The long-run regime implication is that strategic supply chains, not just earnings, determine when growth narratives survive or fail.

  • The durable implication is that global trade and inflation are increasingly shaped by geopolitical choke points, not just pure economics.
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  • The hosts are effectively arguing for a regime where supply-chain leverage matters as much as price levels, especially in energy and strategic materials.
  • For AI, the long-term thesis is that the current spend cycle remains valid if it is tied to real demand and business backlogs, but it becomes vulnerable when credit conditions finally tighten.
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Key claims (10)

BULLISH AI capex cycle Microsoft

Microsoft’s quarterly report and its OpenAI-related backlog suggest the AI buildout is still accelerating rather than peaking.

Andreas says Microsoft’s backlog is huge, still growing, and important to the AI bubble debate.

NEUTRAL Credit cycle and AI

The AI bubble debate can be postponed for now, but it would likely resurface if credit conditions deteriorate.

Andreas explicitly ties the bubble debate to the credit cycle and says the current trend is not yet broken.

BEARISH AI monetization Meta Platforms

Meta’s AI capex story is less convincing than Microsoft’s, Amazon’s, or Alphabet’s because Meta lacks a comparable backlog and AI monetization looks weak.

Andreas argues Meta is relying more on narrative than measurable traction.

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Assets discussed (15)

Microsoft — MSFT
BULLISH stock

Cited as the strongest evidence that AI-related demand and backlog remain strong; the hosts say Microsoft is not writing off the OpenAI-related backlog and that the quarterly report was a highlight.

OpenAI
BULLISH other

Mentioned as part of Microsoft’s large contractual backlog and as a key AI ecosystem driver.

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Interview (6 Q&A)

weekly recap

What was your main takeaway from last week, with Jay Powell and the Mag 7 reports?

Andreas highlights the Microsoft quarterly report as the highlight, noting they still report a growing contractual backlog of roughly $300 billion related to OpenAI. He says the three big hyperscaler reports show capex and backlog are still accelerating, with backlog growing faster than capex, which he considers an underreported fact. He concludes the AI bubble discussion can be parked for now and won't fully resurface until the credit cycle trend changes.

Meta capex

What stood out about Meta's capex versus the other hyperscalers?

Andreas explains that Meta increased their capex guidance, but unlike Amazon, Microsoft, and Alphabet, they don't have a backlog supporting that capex. He argues Meta's story that AI improved ad prices doesn't pass an empirical test, since Meta AI isn't a relevant player in consumer AI space — growing from an incredibly low base with essentially irrelevant minutes spent. He calls it more storytelling than actual AI facts and remains unconvinced of Meta's capex spend.

AI risks

What are the pitfalls for this AI wave — is it OpenAI having issues, or interest rates toppling the capex boom?

Andreas says he doesn't think we'll see a reversal of the AI trend until central banks pull the rock from under the credit cycle by raising the price of money. He notes that with inflation growing while front-end rates remain anchored, real interest rates are declining, which is not a bad scenario for AI. Both the Bank of England and ECB have postponed hiking talk. He emphasizes the Fed especially is treating the Strait of Hormuz issue with patience because hiking rates just before a potential peace deal would look foolish.

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Where this transcript pushes against consensus

  • The hosts downplayed Western shortage risk quite strongly; that view may understate local bottlenecks, panic behavior, or second-order effects if the disruption lasts longer than expected.
  • The claim that Meta’s AI capex is mostly storytelling is plausible but was not backed with hard consumer-engagement data in the discussion.
  • Their dismissal of near-term food/energy shortage narratives depends on the assumption that price is always sufficient to allocate scarce supply, which may not hold cleanly in politically constrained or logistically stressed markets.
  • The assessment that AI remains in an accelerating cycle may prove too optimistic if backlog quality weakens or if capex returns disappoint shareholders despite top-line growth.
  • The discussion of Iran relied on rapidly changing headlines; some conclusions may be premature because the underlying facts were still unresolved during the recording.

Topics

Iran / Strait of Hormuzoil and energy pricesinflation and imported inflationcentral banks and credit cycleAI capex and hyperscaler earningsMicrosoft / OpenAI backlogMeta AI and ad pricingTrump–Xi meetingshipping chokepointsrare earths and solar supply chains

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