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It’s Beginning To Look A Lot Like COVID! | Macro Mondays with Andreas Steno & Mikkel Rosenvold

Channel: Real Vision Published: 2026-05-11 11:48
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Real Vision’s Macro Mondays frames the current macro setup as a 2020/2021-style liquidity and reflation regime, not a COVID story. Andreas and Miguel argue that easier bank balance-sheet rules, strong labor data, and delayed Fed response are combining with an energy shock to support inflation, a weaker policy backdrop, and a risk-on rally. They also see the Trump–Xi meeting and possible Ukraine progress as potential market-friendly de-risking events, while highlighting selective themes like rare earths, solar, metals, and consumer-scarcity beneficiaries such as Apple.

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Detailed summary

This episode is a host-and-guest Macro Mondays discussion led by Miguel and Andreas Steno on Real Vision. The opening briefly jokes about COVID/virus headlines, but the substantive market discussion is about liquidity, inflation, geopolitics, and portfolio positioning. Andreas argues the market is starting to resemble 2020/2021 in two main ways: first, speculative/non-profitable names are outperforming profitable value stocks again; second, dollar liquidity is being recycled more aggressively through repo markets after SLR-related balance-sheet changes. He says this allows banks to intermediate more Treasury-backed leverage, effectively letting the same dollar support more assets. In his view, that setup, paired with a relatively strong U.S. …

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Main takeaways

  1. The discussion is fundamentally bullish risk assets over the medium term because liquidity is easing and the Fed is seen as behind inflation.
  2. The current macro setup is compared to 2020/2021, but without the pandemic framing; the real driver is balance-sheet liquidity and reflation.
  3. The upcoming inflation print is expected to be hot, with energy as the immediate driver and broader spillovers to follow later.
  4. Trump–Xi is treated as a major geopolitical catalyst; a smooth outcome could reduce risk premiums even without solving the deepest disputes.
  5. The speakers prefer selective thematic exposure: rare earths, domestic solar, metals/miners, and companies with resilient supply chains.
  6. Ukraine is viewed as a possible later-stage positive catalyst if a peace deal becomes more likely.
  7. AI-driven capacity cannibalization may create consumer-product scarcity, benefiting firms with secure sourcing and pricing power.

Market read by horizon

Short term

Near term, the setup is bullish but fragile: a hot inflation print and a smooth Trump–Xi meeting could lift risk assets, while any surprise escalation or Fed misread would quickly pressure rates and equities.

  • The next big catalyst is the U.S. inflation report; Andreas expects headline CPI around 3.7%–3.8% with energy leading.
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  • Repo/liquidity conditions are being watched closely because they may keep supporting risky assets in the near term.
  • The Trump–Xi meeting is a key event risk; a calm framework outcome could help markets, while a surprise escalation would reverse that.
Mid term

Over the next few months, the base case is for liquidity and reacceleration to keep favoring risk, with inflation broadening beyond energy and geopolitical processes becoming more orderly rather than more explosive.

  • Over the next several weeks to months, Andreas expects energy inflation to spill into broader goods inflation with a lag of roughly 6–9 months.
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  • If U.S. growth keeps reaccelerating and the Fed stays passive, the market could continue to reward non-profitable, liquidity-sensitive names.
  • A constructive Trump–Xi framework would likely reduce geopolitical risk premiums even if deeper issues remain unresolved.
Long term

The structural view is that U.S.-China decoupling, strategic supply-chain re-shoring, and AI-driven bottlenecks are creating a durable regime of selective scarcity and pricing power rather than a one-off trade narrative.

  • Structurally, the episode argues that dollar liquidity recycling and bank balance-sheet rules can materially affect asset prices across cycles.
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  • The U.S.-China relationship is treated as a lasting decoupling regime, not a temporary headline risk.
  • AI-related capex is expected to keep cannibalizing lower-margin consumer supply, creating a durable scarcity/pricing-power theme in selected hardware and chip supply chains.
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Key claims (10)

BULLISH risk appetite non-profitable growth stocks

The current market environment resembles 2020–2021 because non-profitable growth stocks are outperforming cash-flow/value names.

The speaker explicitly says the market setup looks like 2020–2021 and cites non-profitable bets outperforming classic value bets.

BULLISH liquidity US dollar liquidity

Repo activity and the SLR reform are allowing banks to recycle dollar liquidity more aggressively, similar to the mechanics seen during 2020.

He links the reform to more leverage and more balance-sheet space for low-risk repo transactions, which he says increases liquidity recycling.

BULLISH growth US economy

The US economy is reaccelerating, supported by a second consecutive strong labor market report.

He cites the Friday jobs data as evidence that the economy is accelerating again.

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Assets discussed (10)

US dollar liquidity
BULLISH fx

More balance-sheet capacity and repo activity are described as making it easier to recycle dollars into assets.

Non-profitable growth stocks
BULLISH stock

Mentioned as outperforming cash-flow/value names, echoing 2020–2021 risk appetite.

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Interview (7 Q&A)

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What can people expect from the monthly state of the union show this Wednesday?

Andreas says they'll look into the inflation wave, whether it will filter through to goods beyond the energy basket. US inflation data is due tomorrow and it probably won't look pretty. They'll examine how this passes through to forex, interest rate markets, and the global macro picture.

H5N1 lockdown risk

What are the chances that we get into a new lockdown and all the turmoil that came after the last pandemic?

Andreas thinks it's very unlikely we'll see lockdowns this time. He says the virus doesn't appear to spread fast between humans — only six confirmed cases on Earth roughly 10 days after the first case — and he wouldn't spend a second discussing it from a macro or market perspective.

2021 macro comparison

Why are you reminiscing 2021 suddenly?

Andreas explains that the current setup mirrors 2020-2021 even before the H5N1 virus was known. Non-profitable tech stocks are outperforming cash-flow-rich stocks, there's heavy recycling of dollar liquidity via repo markets, and the SLR reform (allowing banks more leverage in repo transactions) has dramatically increased repo activity since April 1st. Paired with a reaccelerating US economy and two consecutive strong labor reports, this cocktail reminds him of 2020 mechanics.

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Where this transcript pushes against consensus

  • The COVID comparison is more rhetorical than analytical; the speaker explicitly says there is no meaningful pandemic analogue and does not expect lockdowns.
  • The claim that repo/SLR mechanics are a major driver is plausible but not deeply evidenced in the transcript; it is presented as a strong inference rather than demonstrated causality.
  • The Iran situation is described as important for inflation but then also downplayed as not a major market driver, which makes the ranking somewhat internally mixed.
  • The expectation of a smooth Trump–Xi meeting feels optimistic and depends heavily on Trump not escalating, a risk the speakers acknowledge but cannot quantify.
  • The Ukraine peace thesis relies mostly on gut feel and softened rhetoric rather than hard evidence.
  • The consumer-scarcity thesis is interesting but somewhat speculative on timing and magnitude; the transcript does not show concrete evidence of actual shortages yet.

Topics

US inflationdollar liquiditySLR/repo marketsTrump-Xi meetingUS-China decouplingIran conflictUkraine peace prospectsrare earthsmetals and silverAI-driven consumer scarcity

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